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All Things Avs: Postgame Avs-Canucks, How do I get my two-and-a-half hours back edition?

  • sam hill · 1 month ago
    Ecclesiastes 1

    1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:

    2 "Meaningless! Meaningless!"
    says the Teacher.
    "Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless."

    3 What does man gain from all his labor
    at which he toils under the sun?

    4 Generations come and generations go,
    but the earth remains forever.

    5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
    and hurries back to where it rises.

    6 The wind blows to the south
    and turns to the north;
    round and round it goes,
    ever returning on its course.

    7 All streams flow into the sea,
    yet the sea is never full.
    To the place the streams come from,
    there they return again.

    8 All things are wearisome,
    more than one can say.
    The eye never has enough of seeing,
    nor the ear its fill of hearing.

    9 What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.

    10 Is there anything of which one can say,
    "Look! This is something new"?
    It was here already, long ago;
    it was here before our time.

    11 There is no remembrance of men of old,
    and even those who are yet to come
    will not be remembered
    by those who follow.
  • David · 1 month ago
    Good blog. Odd maybe, since if you really ask yourself the questions Dater is asking, you might not be so obsessive about a hockey team to be checking this blog every day. However, for all of you haters, AD does write about the team. In the paper. This blog is about 95% team related as well, but the dude can write what ever he wants here. He's paid to write in the newspaper.

    In reality, as they said on Seinfeld, you are really just cheering for laundry. Many things made Sakic a fan favorite, but one huge reason was due to his tenure with the same team. What makes a fan a fan? If you live somewhere else, do you cheer for the home team or the team you always have loved? What is it that we identify with, a logo on a uniform? The history of the team? The players, who make the team, are a revolving door.

    AD should know the mentality of these guys more than any of us who aren't intimately associated with professional sports. I would imagine he is correct in his assertions. You do see passion from many of the players (at least on TV or at the game), but the bottom line is they aren't in a profession that is changing the world. What makes sports not be just trivial? I think that, as fans, we enjoy the esacpism and the "thrill of victory/agony of defeat" - as well as seeing some amazing athleticism that most mere mortals aren't capable of doing.
  • Ken J. · 1 month ago
    It ain't rocket science. We love sports for the same reasons we love the movies, books, etc. Escapism. Escape from the mundane. You can define drama as the moments in life that punctuate the boredom. Life is routine for most people. I follow hockey to tune out a bit each week and, in a way, vicariously live through them. Isn't that what we do when we see a movie or read a story? To get away from the boredom and routine of life? Maybe what you're saying is that people take this too seriously, which I agree with. You have to find the balance between healthy and fanatic. At the end of the day, I don't lose any sleep when the Av's lose, or any team I like for that matter. I may feel disappointment, but it doesn't affect my life in any meaningful way. For me, hockey is an escape from the long nights of winter. The excitement for me comes from the fact that the outcome is always unknown. I care because I have a natural connection with a team that represents the city I live in, but only to a point. The rest of life proceeds regardless of the outcome of any game.
  • WackoJacko · 1 month ago
    As much as we like to watch this "entertainment" in our middle ages we don't want to sit here and read how meaningless this all is. Just like all these religions were created so we have something to "believe" in because one day we'll die and there will be nothing so here believe in a God somewhere. This might have been the WORST blog article you've ever written. I wish you devoted 17 paragraphs to covering the team you're paid to cover.
  • Mojo · 1 month ago
    Uh... there doesn't have to be meaning in sports. It's entertainment. People like to be entertained.
  • andercommander · 1 month ago
    I think this is the best blog you’ve ever written and possibly the truest.
    It can be hard to except that there are times when the athletes playing the game don't actually care about it as much as we do, but it is sadly true. I think for some athletes it is never true but for others it is true more often than not (sadly). I'm very passionate about the things I believe in, and the Avalanche is one of them.
  • jhax · 1 month ago
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  • carmela_avs · 1 month ago
    I can really relate to this blog. First of all, many people have asked me why I love hockey so much. Ice hockey is not a popular sport from where I am, it would be lucky if you find other people who watch this sport. So far, I've known only 2, chatted with another 1 or 2 persons more. Most people think I'm weird because I like to watch hockey which is unusual in this part of the world (At least from where I live). Others asked me, "why do you like hockey?"; "Why is Colorado your favorite team?"; "Are you originally from Colorado?"; "Do you live in Colorado?". I love watching hockey without really knowing why. I just keep telling people that I love the speed and instensity of the game. Their reply? Why not soccer, basically same concept as hockey (players scoring a goal). Physical and intense, why not football? Fights, why not boxing? Basketball? etc. etc. Again, my answer is that I can't really tell the exact reason, I just love watching it.

    I became an Avs fan since the 90's. I think one of the reasons why I became an fan is because they were really good back then, if they weren't I'm not sure what happened. I love Sakic, Forsberg and Roy, etc. I told myself then that the only time I would consider switching teams is when these 3 have retired. That time has come when Sakic retired a few months ago. Technically, Forsberg could still come back but... I asked myself if I would switch team, what would be my new favorite team. I like a few players outside the Avalanche world, but I don't think that it's enough for me to follow that certain player's team. I've shown support for this team by watching as much as I can, it's really hard because games are not really available here. I buy merchandise as often as I can, worn Avalanche shirts during playoffs even if no one really cares here. I've made jokes to my brothers when they comment on the merchandise about being expensive... "Yeah, Hejduk and Johnny need to be paid 4M each, and I need to contribute something so I buy all these merch... ". I've been labeled as a hockey fanatic because of this, but I don't really care. Watching hockey or other sports that I like entertains me. It's a distraction. For 2-3 hours of watching hockey, at least I don't have to think about all other things. It doesn't control my life but it definitely makes it a bit better.
  • NonaCarole · 1 month ago
    Know what you are talking about! We missed our 1st AVs training camp 2 yrs ago when we moved from Denver to the Washington state Canada border. We had a history with several players (Forsberg, Roy, Sakic, Ricci) including drinks @ several hangouts (Chop House & Gov's). Good times with good people!
    Our biggest concern was moving away from our family & our sports teams; AVs, Broncos & Nuggets. Thank God we have Dish so we can receive the games here for NHL Center Ice. The Nucks are just 25 mi north & we're in Vancouver regularly but the AVs will remain OUR TEAM always.
  • QueenJ · 1 month ago
    I've pondered this question a lot because I do have a few fandoms so to speak and some of them involve music. The main reason why sports is such a big deal is because like it or not the team is a representation of me. The Avs represent Denver, my home city and the place I identify myself with, if they do well it is a joy that I can share with everyone in my community. That is why going to the game is so special to me, I can share that community feeling for two to three hours and feel that energy all going toward the hope and goal of one team winning for that short period of time. Yes, at the end of the day sports is just entertainment, it is not about the desitantion but the journey because for all but one team the season will end in disappointment. But it is the hope and the addiction to that elation and joy and the possibility that this one season will bring enough joy to last long after it is over. Nothing wrong with embracing things in your life that make you feel like you belong and give you something to look forward to every day. Yes it is just a game played by strangers who don't know me and never will but what I take from it is personal to me and it is meaningful.
  • jfmartineau · 1 month ago
    Sorry my English Writting AD
    My love for Hockey started at 8 years old when my uncle took me to a Quebec Nordiques game against the Hartford Whalers. Prior the game i was standing behind the players bench and Michel Goulet came up to me and gave me is autograph hockey stick, and then he scores a Hat trick in a 5-3 win. After that i never miss a game on tv or radio, i witness every loss the nordiques had for 5 years( last night performance was good to compare) they were in the pit of hell years after years. One day we had the best young team in the ligue, names like Deadmarsh, Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin, Kamensky, and the list goes on... the dream of a stanley cup in Quebec was more than possible, that was the reward for been patient with my team( not like some peoples here). So, one morning i open the Tv and the headline was the Nordiques sold to Denver, hit me like a baseball bat. How worst can that be!!! I told everybody that i never watch hockey again!!! Wrong, i remember the first game in denver, Patrick Roy in net with is new white mask in a Avalanches Jersey. I became a Avs fan right away and enjoy 2 stanley cup championships. Do you think i really care about how much money they make!!! Absolutly not, every goal, every fight, every win in a 7 games gave me so much joy and trill this is not about money, ask Ray Bourque if he would trade 1 millions in exchange of is stanley cup championship!!!! If the players are making that much money the team owner are making much more money and they dont risk there lives on the ice. I am 100% sure that Paul Stastny gave the maximum effort last night, so Hedjuk and so Wolsky, they cant win every games thats all. Now the question for me is, if the Nordiques comes back to Quebec and it might happend, can i endure another 5 years in the bottom of the ligue!!!!!
  • progger · 1 month ago
    Adrian, there is a great book recently published that takes a philosophical look at sports through the ages and focuses on the spectator's role. It's called "In Praise of Athletic Beauty." You might like it.
  • progger · 1 month ago
    Um, another thing. What about Crosby and Ovechkin? Watching those guys play, you can't help but feeling that they are playing every game like their last and winning or losing means the world to them...
  • Patrick · 1 month ago
    Adrian, want to trade jobs?
  • Eric94 · 1 month ago
    Good reading! At middle age, we start questioning everything...our own job included. Adrian should feel lucky to have a good job and can provide for his family. Some makes millions of $$ and some struggle in porverty. Life is unfair...just keep walking and enjoy the journey. Hockey is meanless but we love the game.
  • adriandater · 1 month ago
    Patrick,
    that wasn't the point of what I was saying. Not that I hate my job - I don't. It just amazes sometimes that there even IS this job, and that there IS this thing called pro sports. If anybody took the blog as me "whining", they shouldn't. Just my deep thought of the night. Now I'll go back to finding out about Cody McLeod's eye or something
  • lordstanley01 · 1 month ago
    Good, I was wondering about that. ;-)
  • avalanchejeff · 1 month ago
    AD, It's not what you are saying, I think it was a genuine offer. I will be willing to trade jobs. County Jailer in a back woods Oklahoma town. Come on AD, I will let you think about it.
  • Avalanche_Fan_in_Mi · 1 month ago
    I can relate to this as I signed up for the Game Center Live Friday night since the Center Ice free preview ran out the week before, I can't afford the $160 up front, and Comcast here refuses to give the 4 payment plan; and since then they have lost both games. Hopefully, it will be a different result on Wednesday. I still believe in this team. They probably won't be at the top of the conference at the end of the season but I do believe they are a serious playoff contender.
  • avalanchejeff · 1 month ago
    this was the most pathetic game ever played by the avs. This Canucks team is awful, and they looked great against the avs. Kessler looked like Mr. Hockey. 5on3 with not one shot attempt. come on! Other then that I am still behind the avs, chalk it up as the worst game in franchise history
  • 10baci · 1 month ago
    that was a tough game too watch as both teams are playing way too many of their AHL players due to injury.....the AVS couldnt put any decent offensive threat together last night and when they had a chance (5-3 pp) they passed it around all too cute way too many times and didnt even get a shot on net ! ! ! Even Anderson was looking tired last night and struggled to stay focused. Duchene really looked like an 18 year old last nite, losing way too many draws and on the ice for 2/3 goals against. I know the kid is going to be a STAR, but last night was a night to forget, or perhaps better to remeber - make him realize, that you have to work every shift every night (just ask Sakic)

    Anyways, its done and over with, and hopefully the coach gives them a little time off before they head back to practice. P.S i didnt like the line combos last night either, but i guess the coach had to try something to shake them out of their funk - i didnt think i would ever say this, but the Avs are really starting to miss Tucker, McLeod, Gagliardi and Hendricks
  • Cletus · 1 month ago
    Well written Mr. Dater. As I approach my mid-forties, I ask this very question, as Pete Townshend once wrote: Why should I care...why should I care? To most professional athletes it's simply a business. These guys are part of the millionaire class now and can no longer relate to the middle class schlub who forks out hard earned money to help pay the salaries of these guys. I chose to spend less time and money watching sports. More can be gained by watching my little kids play whatever it is that they play on any given day.
  • Nick · 1 month ago
    I think Dater's cheese has slipped off his cracker. What is this drivel? Dater - You would in no way be the same as you are if you had a multi-million dollar contract. No one would be. To quote a certain C. Lauper, "Money changes everything."
  • Dustin · 1 month ago
    Get used to games like this from here out.

    Oh, and it sure was nice seeing Raycroft SHUT OUT your "prized rookies." I'll bet he really enjoyed that a lot.

    Where, if anywhere, on the ice were Duchene and O'Reilly anyway? I don't think Haynes or McNab said their name last night once.
  • lordstanley01 · 1 month ago
    They were too busy talking about how fast Cumiskey can skate...must've heard that about a dozen times at least. All I can say is that Kyle had better keep his head up because somebody's going to demolish him streaking through the neutral zone some day.
  • toddb3 · 1 month ago
    So are you gonna show up every time two 18-year-olds don't score? The fact that you're here pointing out that they didn't score should probably tell you something about how good they are...figure it out.
  • Jeru1975 · 1 month ago
    Very nice blog!! It is absolutely true that being a sports fan can be ecstasy or sheer pain. As a Cubs fan for all of my life, there have been many more downs than ups but am I still a Cubs fan? Yes. Why? Maybe its because its all I've known but over the past few years I've seriously been trying to figure out a better reason. Its a tough thing to swallow when I hope and pray my 6 month old son will see them win the World Series because I'm coming to the realization that at 34 years old, I may not.

    As far as your blog is concerned, as much as I liked it and could really relate to it, I think it was a little premature for the season the Avs are having. Two road losses (one being to a great team like the Sharks) is not the end of the world for this team. If, in fact, the loss is what sparked it.
  • mpcsu · 1 month ago
    Very interesting blog AD, I have asked myself that very question from time to time. Why do I care about sports? Because life is too boring without distractions that make it interesting. This is the reason why those people created the game 100 years ago, just for a distraction. Family, friends, etc are all great, but no matter what we need healthy distraction to keep us from going insane. That's my take at least.

    Your job "matters" as much as anyone else's does, it puts a roof over you and your family's head and gives the ability to buy goods you need to survive. That's all it boils down to, no one's job "really matters". I work in politics, trying to push for things that will supposedly make a difference to me and millions of others, but in the end it is just a job, a very thankless job at that.

    So perhaps this will help give your work meaning...thank you for your writing. I look forward to it daily, and have won an argument here and there based on your articles. There, it means something now right?
  • Patrick · 1 month ago
    Hey Adrian,

    Was Sakic really bothered by the Avs losing last year, how competitive was he?
  • Patrick Feldman · 1 month ago
    This is a great post. We like sports because it is an escape from the "average-ness" of everyday life. I openly admit that I read the sports section first because it's fun. There's so much seriousness in everyday life that we all need some escape. In addition, I hate reality TV but I think that sports is what reality TV is supposed to be. This is drama that is genuine.

    Beyond that, I think that sports are a proxy for war. The ancient Romans read the local papers to see stories about the current war, but also to see stories about the recent Gladiators. Professional sports aren't new or aborrent, they're as natural to humans as gossip, fashion, politics, and exploration.
  • toddb3 · 1 month ago
    What gets me is not that we care so much about sports. What gets me is the people who have to brag about what some athletes did - athletes that they've never met and never will. For some reason these people think that a victory for their favorite team gives them some kind of social superiority over the fans of the team that lost - that they are somehow better. Just look at the number of people who show up here bragging about Raycroft shutting out Duchene and O'Reilly for instance, or the idiots who wished physical harm to Tucker AND his family. Not sure what goes on inside someone's head that motivates them to do that. Not sure I want to know.

    As for me, I realized that it will take me two full years to make what Stastny did in one game. I work my butt off so that 27 fourth-graders will have the opportunities for success that they deserve. Stastny got paid $80,000 for having fun for two and a half hours. I guess I could get bitter or even depressed about that. But then I wonder, how long would it take Stastny to postively influence the lives of kids as much as teachers do in one day? Two years? An entire career? Maybe I don't have anything to be bitter about after all. Thanks for the perspective, AD.
  • Carole · 1 month ago
    THANX Adrian! Your article, blog, whatever, did my soul good. I absolutely luv this sport that causes, some of us at least, the highest of highs & lowest of lows. It was a real low last nite but today is better becuz I believe in this franchise, kinda @ least, becuz I want it to be the BEST!
    Did you notice the quality of responses left, better than usual I'd say huh? You hit some deep chords in alot of us & thats not easy!! Keep up the good work & trust the Post notices it as I have.
    A big super THANX also to jfmartineau! Your window to the world sets hockey apart. This says it all.
  • Christy B · 1 month ago
    I was pondering those same thoughts..sure maybe not as deep as you have, but still wondering why I spent 2 hours watching a game where NOTHING happened. It is sad that what I took as the positive from this game is that the Canucks play a Green Day song after each goal. I love Green Day so that somehow evened out the resentment I had three times during the night. For those angered Avs fans though, it's still early in the season, and teams lose two in a row sometimes. It happens.

    I am now off to ponder more about what we get out of sports and what athletes get out of it. Great blog Adrian. You truly have found your talent in writing!
  • Ryan · 1 month ago
    Looks like a bit of a divisive blog, Adrian. I, for one, really enjoyed it. For as long as I can remember, I've always questioned everything, so I can totally relate to this post. Although hockey has always been a big part of my life since I was 12 (playing & watching), it definitely isn't the only thing that induces joy. Although the Av's didn't play well against the Canucks, I had more of these "what the heck am I doing" moments LAST year as I watched them languish like mannequins on skates night after night.

    I hope that you cast aside the naysayers of this particular post. Although I've always enjoyed reading your posts, it's the longer ones in which you ramble on a tangent that I find particularly gratifying. Keep those creative juices flowing. (grins)
  • joepizzle · 1 month ago
    I still think wolski nor svatos will not be on this team come march.